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Below are some guidelines for setting toe and how it affects a car’s feel.
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| FWD cars like Dez Ballard’s Mini can almost always benefit from some amount of toe out. The only potential drawback is accelerated tire wear. On a really high powered FWD car too much toe out can cause a lot of torque steer. |
Front Toe Out
Front toe out is a useful tool that can really help a car when used in moderation. Many cars and situations can be helped with a little toe out. Generaly front toe out speeds steering response and reduces understeer in the first quarter to third of a turn.
| Front Toe Out |
| Just Right | Too Much |
| Helps reduce understeer on turn-in | Makes car twitchy under braking |
| Makes car more responsive to steering input | Unstable in a straight line, especially over single-wheel bumps or split traction surfaces |
| Helps FWD and AWD cars counter their natural tendency to toe-in under throttle load. | An extreme amount of front toe-out will cause the car to refuse to turn and go into unrecoverable understeer |
| Car will be very crown sensitive and tend to follow the contour of the road strongly. |
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| AWD cars like the EVO and STI almost always benefit from front toe out as well. Nose heavy AWD cars with transverse engines derived from FWD cars can particularly benefit. |
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Practical tip: after using toe plates double check your work by placing a toe plate on the front and rear wheel on the same side of the car with the steering wheel pointed straight ahead. Lie on the ground and sight along the toe plates. Do the same on the opposite side of the car. This will show up any large errors in your toe plate alignment. It’s easy to turn a turnbuckle in the wrong direction and not notice if you skip this step. Also, be aware that changes in camber may or may not change toe. And ride height changes can affect camber and toe. So after lowering your car off the jackstands you need to bounce it at all four corners or drive it a short distance to make sure the suspension has settled back to its normal ride height. This last step is especially important if you have poly bushings which tend to have some initial resistance to rotation (hint: poly bushings occasionally need to be taken apart and greased). One last tip: On your street car if you see feathering on your tires (tread blocks wear into a wedge shape) you have a toe problem. On your track car if you have tire chunking (pieces of tread break off the tire carcass) you may have a toe problem.
when you refer to 1/8 or 1/4inch adjustments are you talking about just one side or the total amount of both left and right wheels?
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Hey Mike!
I was reading your The Ultimate Guide to Suspension and Handling for like three years without racing just dreaming of racing some day.
This year was my first year of ice racing. And damn! The difference correct toe tuning makes!
Just wanted to say how greatful I am for the guides.
Thanks mate!
Another thank you for Mike from me.
After reducing front toe-in to the minimum the equipment could register (0.03degrees each side) and reducing the rear toe-in (0.06 degrees each) and camber (from 2.6 to 2.0 degrees) and nothing else, cornering G went from 0.8 to 1.0 on winter tyres. 0.8 was ok, but 1.0 is excellent for a street setup and i can keep the car there as long as the turn lasts. Above 1.0G understeer sets in but I think a slight increase in track width, caster and SAI might raise that.
On good summer tyres the limit is higher but cant tell how high yet. With 215/50r17 Hankook Ventus prime2 on the rear and 225/45r17 Hankook ventus v12 evo2 up front the rear stepped out at 1.05G. Ordered wider wheels and 4 235/45r17 tyres, will see where we are after lockdown, but 1.15G or above i suspect.
Just wanted to share those numbers for people who are wondering how much differernce toe can make, though the reduced camber in the back will also have helped to make the car turn.
Hi from halfway across the world, Mike. I’m a big fan of your articles and this series in particular. What are your thoughts about using toe out to counter the toe in moment/effect caused by negative camber thrust? Assuming we don’t care about tire wear, of course.
Hope to hear from you soon. Cheers
Chez
Yes, that is one of the reasons why you do toe out.
Mike, thanks so much for all the great information, you’ve helped me drop seconds off my lap times.
I was wondering if the toe recommendations listed are total toe or per side?
Total toe in.