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Not all Michelin Cup 2 Tires Are Created The Same

  • Billy Johnson

Circumferential Grooves

Deeper and wider circumferential grooves and lateral slits increase the “Void Ratio” (the amount of material taken away from a full slick) and improves hydroplaning resistance at the cost of contact patch size.  Compounding has a big effect in terms of wet grip but increasing the void ratio is purely a tradeoff between standing water hydroplaning performance vs steering response and overall dry performance.  This is why some of the fastest and most aggressive Cup 2s do not have the same hydroplaning resistance as more street focused Cup 2s.

Due to the differing demands between performing in the wet and dry, a tire acts like two tires in one. The inboard placement and location of the grooves enables a large outer shoulder (like a slick-type racing tire) to improve dry grip, cornering performance, and durability on track since it gets the majority of load and pressure when cornering.

Meanwhile the inboard grooves are mostly in play during straight line driving and especially in the wet, where the tire does not roll over and load the outer half of the tire as much because of the reduced grip.  The inner half tire also greatly affects steering response and straight-line driving.

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2, PS4S, PSS, PS2, Race2, PZ4, ECS, RE070
(TOP) Michelin’s Pilot Sport Cup 2, PS4S, Super Sport, PS2 (BOTTOM) Dunlop Race 2, Pirelli PZ4, Continental ECS, Bridgestone RE070

There’s a reason when you look at many of Michelin’s tires (from the Cup 2, PS4S, PSS, and going back to the older days of the PS2 and earlier) the tires essentially look like ‘street’ or ‘rain’ tires on the inner half and more aggressive slicks on the outer half.  There’s also a reason many tires in this category have slowly shifted towards this philosophy and tread layout for UHP and streetable track-focused tires.

Outer Shoulder “Features” and “Sipes” 

The outer shoulder can have a varying amount of what Michelin calls “features” (any lateral groove across the tire) that many, including myself, would incorrectly call “sipes”.  This is not technically correct since “sipes” are the very small hairline cuts in a tread block that provide micro biting edges in the rubber that deform and open up to suck in water to remove it from the contact path surface.  They are designed to increase grip in low friction conditions like heavy rain and snow type conditions, but are not conducive for performance driving. These lateral features also create a path for water to exit the contact patch laterally, further improving hydroplaning and wet grip. The effectiveness of these depends on their depth and number around the circumference.

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 outer shoulder features
These large lateral grooves are known as “features” and are not to be confused with “sipes”, which are hairline slits in tread blocks..

These outer “features” slightly improve hydroplaning resistance, provides an aesthetic look to put tire in certain family, and also affect the tread-induced noise the tire makes.  Upon closer inspection, Michelin uses 3-4 different ‘pitches’, or width & distance between ‘features’, that through programming, can optimize pitches to reduce drone and tread induced noise.

GT500 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 wear hole indicator
The rectangular wear hole indicator located within the outer shoulder “feature” on this brand new GT500 Cup 2 tire is crucial for knowing how much tread is actually left on the tire.

Many Cup 2 tires made for Mustangs and Corvettes have wear hole indicators that are commonly used on racing tires.

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 wear hole indicator worn features
Once the outer shoulder features are worn away on this GT500 Cup 2 tire, the wear hole indicators show there is plenty of tread left.

The lateral groove “features” can easily be mistaken as the thickness of the tread and once they’re worn away, are often (incorrectly) assumed to be worn out when in fact they are designed to be worn away, look like a slick, and still have plenty of life left in them.

Cup 2 R:

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R
The Cup 2 R has a round wear hole indicator more inboard of the shoulder than the GT500 Cup 2 tire’s rectangular indicator.

Cup 2 R’s have an extremely shallow of a tread depth and just enough features to meet euro ECE wet & DOT certified wet.  They are a single focus tire: dry lap times.

Table of Contents:

Page 1 – Intro, My Background, Developing Bespoke Tires
Page 2 – TREAD DESIGN – Tread Depth
Page 3 – TREAD DESIGN – Circumferential Grooves, Outer Shoulder Features & Sipes, Cup 2R
Page 4 – COMPOUNDING – Compound Variation Across Tread & Tread Depth, Cup 2R
Page 5 – CONSTRUCTION – Carcass Profile/Shape, Width, Ribs
Page 6 – CONSTRUCTION – Sidewall Stiffness, Run Flat Tires, Cup 2 Connect
Page 7 – How Tread Design, Compounding, and Construction Come Together
Page 8 – Conclusion

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25 comments
  1. Clay says:
    June 15, 2020 at 9:36 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      June 15, 2020 at 12:41 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
    2. Avatar photo Mike Kojima says:
      June 15, 2020 at 8:58 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
      1. Kevski-Style says:
        June 16, 2020 at 12:37 am

        Yes and no.

        For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

        https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

        Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

        Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

        Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

        Reply
  2. Nicolas Girard says:
    June 15, 2020 at 10:52 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      August 31, 2020 at 12:02 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
  3. Duane Gibbs says:
    June 19, 2020 at 11:29 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Corey Risolvato says:
      February 22, 2021 at 4:35 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
      1. Billy Johnson says:
        February 22, 2021 at 10:42 pm

        Yes and no.

        For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

        https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

        Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

        Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

        Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

        Reply
        1. Rene says:
          April 1, 2021 at 9:50 am

          Yes and no.

          For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

          https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

          Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

          Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

          Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

          Reply
  4. Rami E says:
    June 19, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      August 31, 2020 at 12:02 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
  5. Luis Sanchez says:
    July 10, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Luke says:
      August 21, 2020 at 11:41 am

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
      1. Billy Johnson says:
        August 31, 2020 at 12:05 pm

        Yes and no.

        For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

        https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

        Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

        Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

        Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

        Reply
  6. Donny says:
    July 18, 2020 at 7:49 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  7. Billy Johnson says:
    August 31, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  8. Andrew says:
    September 17, 2020 at 6:09 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      September 21, 2020 at 10:33 am

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
  9. Robert says:
    November 10, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  10. Alex says:
    December 5, 2020 at 5:46 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      January 2, 2021 at 11:28 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
  11. Justin says:
    August 24, 2021 at 10:14 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  12. Justin says:
    August 24, 2021 at 10:44 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  13. Brad Shaddick says:
    August 28, 2022 at 7:42 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply

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