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Not all Michelin Cup 2 Tires Are Created The Same

  • Billy Johnson

COMPOUNDING

Compounding is an extremely complex and secretive black-art in the making of a tire. Essentially the formulation of rubber, additives, and baking/curing temperatures determine the stickiness of the tire, its operating range (whether the tire works at cold temperatures but overheats on track, or cracks at freezing temperatures, requires heat to get sticky, and makes more grip when hot at the track), and even the wet weather grip and performance. It’s possible to have a tire that looks more like a slick, but has more grip in the wet (not standing water) than a tire that looks like it should work well in the wet, but has an inferior compound.  Yes, compounding is pretty impressive.

Simply put, compounds determine how a tire deals with the seasons (temperature windows).

Unlike most of their competitors, Michelin often uses “bi-compounded” and even “tri-compounded” tires! Cup 2s come standard with a “bi-compound”, while bespoke applications (like for the GT350R, GT500, and Corvettes) can have as many as 3 different compounds across a single tire. Some applications may call for bi-compounded front tires and tri-compounded rears, or vice-versa. As new compounds and constructions come out, tri-compound tires can be replaced by even more advanced bi-compound tires.  It’s a never-ending development process as Michelin continually pushes the boundaries of tire technology.

Compound Variation Across Tread

On a tri-compounded tire, the outermost shoulder, only 2-3 fingers wide, is often made of an aggressive but very durable compound to handle the extreme abuse, high severity wear, heat, and sliding of a tire rolling over.  Inboard of that is typically the most aggressive compound to maximize dry grip on the outer 1/3-1/2 of the tire.  Meanwhile the inner part of the tire (it does not have to be the inner half and can vary from car to car) uses wet-oriented compounds.  Transitions from one compound to another along the surface of the tire does not have to line up with the ribs. Often compounds will change within the same tread block.  It all depends on the specific load acting on the tire for a specific car.

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tri-compound - compound variation across tread
Some bespoke Cup 2 applications use “Tri-compound” tires. The outer shoulder is made of a very durable compound (red) while the inner (yellow) band has the highest grip. Meanwhile the inner 1/3-1/2 of the tire utilizes a more wet-focused compound (blue).

As we learned above in the tread design section that tires act like 2 tires in 1, where the grooves of the inner half of the tire are more wet focused and the outer half acts like a slick for dry cornering performance, tread compounding follows the same principles.  These wet oriented compounds are extremely good in the dry, and contrary to popular belief: a really good dry tire is really good in the wet (from a compound-grip standpoint, not a hydroplaning resistance standpoint).

When looking at a tire with a higher ‘void ratio’ like a PS4S, or a more extreme case like a Pilot All-Season tire, these tires have more open tread blocks which inherently reduces stiffness.  To offset the losses in steering response and performance due to a lack of structural stiffness, a stiffer compound is required.  It’s important to know that: STIFFER DOES NOT MEAN HARDER.  In this context, stiffer just means rigidity and has nothing to do with the ‘stickiness’/grip of the tire.

Compound Variation for Tread Depth

Compounding can also vary based on the tread depth. Cup 2 tires can be engineered with a super-sticky outer ‘skim coating’.  This race-oriented compound can be worth over a second and last 5-6 laps (depending on the track) before wearing down to the main compound of the tire.

These compounds are so aggressive that if they were used throughout the tread depth, the whole tread block structure would squirm, overheat easily, blister, and feel disconnected and vague.  Let alone last and meet the requirements of the manufacturer for a street tire.

This ‘skim coating’ essentially enables a car to post amazing lap times on a streetable tire that has deeper tread for wet weather hydroplaning performance, while not wearing out and needing replacement as frequently as a race tire. Some of the fastest Michelin-shod (Non-R) Cup 2’s on production cars utilize this option.

If the compound were to be used throughout the tire, the tread depth would need to be thinner, with a different construction, and it would not meet targets for a street tire in terms of hydroplaning resistance, longevity, or cold grip.  Essentially the tire will be a single (laptime) focused Cup2R:

Cup 2 R

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R

The Cup 2 R takes compounding to another level and are actually manufactured with Michelin’s world-class motorsport racing compounds that win at LeMans and Nurburgring.  On top of the construction improvements, the Cup 2 Rs are some of the most advanced road-legal tires on the planet, and their lap times are proof of that.  Currently, all cup 2 Rs utilize the same compound.

Table of Contents:

Page 1 – Intro, My Background, Developing Bespoke Tires
Page 2 – TREAD DESIGN – Tread Depth
Page 3 – TREAD DESIGN – Circumferential Grooves, Outer Shoulder Features & Sipes, Cup 2R
Page 4 – COMPOUNDING – Compound Variation Across Tread & Tread Depth, Cup 2R
Page 5 – CONSTRUCTION – Carcass Profile/Shape, Width, Ribs
Page 6 – CONSTRUCTION – Sidewall Stiffness, Run Flat Tires, Cup 2 Connect
Page 7 – How Tread Design, Compounding, and Construction Come Together
Page 8 – Conclusion

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25 comments
  1. Clay says:
    June 15, 2020 at 9:36 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      June 15, 2020 at 12:41 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
    2. Avatar photo Mike Kojima says:
      June 15, 2020 at 8:58 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
      1. Kevski-Style says:
        June 16, 2020 at 12:37 am

        Yes and no.

        For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

        https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

        Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

        Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

        Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

        Reply
  2. Nicolas Girard says:
    June 15, 2020 at 10:52 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      August 31, 2020 at 12:02 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
  3. Duane Gibbs says:
    June 19, 2020 at 11:29 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Corey Risolvato says:
      February 22, 2021 at 4:35 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
      1. Billy Johnson says:
        February 22, 2021 at 10:42 pm

        Yes and no.

        For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

        https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

        Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

        Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

        Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

        Reply
        1. Rene says:
          April 1, 2021 at 9:50 am

          Yes and no.

          For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

          https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

          Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

          Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

          Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

          Reply
  4. Rami E says:
    June 19, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      August 31, 2020 at 12:02 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
  5. Luis Sanchez says:
    July 10, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Luke says:
      August 21, 2020 at 11:41 am

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
      1. Billy Johnson says:
        August 31, 2020 at 12:05 pm

        Yes and no.

        For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

        https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

        Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

        Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

        Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

        Reply
  6. Donny says:
    July 18, 2020 at 7:49 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  7. Billy Johnson says:
    August 31, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  8. Andrew says:
    September 17, 2020 at 6:09 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      September 21, 2020 at 10:33 am

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
  9. Robert says:
    November 10, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  10. Alex says:
    December 5, 2020 at 5:46 pm

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
    1. Billy Johnson says:
      January 2, 2021 at 11:28 pm

      Yes and no.

      For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

      https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

      Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

      Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

      Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

      Reply
  11. Justin says:
    August 24, 2021 at 10:14 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  12. Justin says:
    August 24, 2021 at 10:44 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply
  13. Brad Shaddick says:
    August 28, 2022 at 7:42 am

    Yes and no.

    For example, if you replace the super stiff factory carbon wheels on a GT350R, GT500 CFTP, Ford GT, Ferrari Pista with a lightweight (flexible) wheel, you will lose steering feel, grip, response, and will need A LOT more static negative camber. All of these degrade performance and feel from what was originally designed. You can read more about this here:

    https://motoiq.com/tested-carbon-revolution-carbon-fiber-wheels/

    Making the car lighter is a positive all around.

    Lowering the car is a positive but if the car’s balance changes from changing the roll centers, springs/bars/damping, alignment, weight distribution, aero, power, etc…) then the car will obviously not handle the same and will ‘work’ the tires differently. If your new setup or alignment makes the car understeer more, the front tires will wear out faster and a wider front tire could be advantageous.

    Overall, if an OEM bespoke tire is better than a given aftermarket tire (or wider tire of the same model, but a less aggressive compound) in stock form, it will likely continue to be better in most situations on a modified car.

    Reply

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